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Sigrun:
You are listening to the Sigrun Show, episode number 391. In this episode, I talk to Haile Thomas about how she became an activist and an entrepreneur at a young age, and now empowers young people to live life lively. She is one of our keynote speakers at the Selfmade Summit in Reykjavik, Iceland in 2021. Welcome to the Sigrun show. I’m your host Sigrun, creator of SOMBA, the MBA program for online entrepreneurs. With each episode, I’ll share with you inspiring case studies and interviews to help you achieve your dreams and turn your passion into profits. Thank you for spending time with me today. Building an online business takes time. I share with you proven strategies to help you get there faster. You’ll also learn how to master your mindset, uplevel your marketing and succeed with masterminds.
Today I speak with Haile Thomas. She is the youngest person to appear on the Sigrun Show, and I am proud to announce her as one of our keynote speakers at the Selfmade Summit in Reykjavik, Iceland in 2021. Haile’s mission is to motivate and empower young people to prioritize self care and pursue healthy and purpose-filled lives. At 19, she is an international speaker, activist, and CEO of her own nonprofit HAPPY, which she founded when she was only 12 years old. She has been featured by Now This, BuzzFeed, and CNN, and has been highlighted in the O Magazine and Teen Vogue. In this episode, we talk about her journey in becoming an activist and entrepreneur, and how she’s empowering young people by living lively.
Before we dive in, I want to talk to you about my brand new live workshop, How to Launch in the Next Normal. Launching is the foundation of my multiple seven figure business, and I want to teach you how you can launch your own products and services to be successful in the next normal. Do you want to discover the tested and proven launch methods that work in any economy, even during a recession? In this live workshop, I am going to show you what you should and should not do to have your best launch yet. Go to the show notes at sigrun.com/391, where you can find information on how to sign up for the workshop, How to Launch in the Next Normal, plus all the links to Haile Thomas, and her newly released book, Living Lively. In the show notes we also include a link to the Selfmade Summit, so you can grab your ticket to see Haile Thomas live in Iceland next year. I am so excited. And this is genuine. I am so excited to be here with Haile Thomas. Did I pronounce that correctly?
Haile Thomas:
Yes. Thank you so much for having me. I’m so happy to be here.
Sigrun:
We finally made it happen. This has been planned for a long time and it’s been Coronavirus and other things have happened in the meantime, and that’s why we postponed it, but also because we wanted to time this episode with the launch of your book, and now finally it’s happening.
Haile Thomas:
I know. I’m so blown away and just, despite all that’s happened this year, really grateful to be healthy and to have this book coming out now. It’s really, really exciting.
Sigrun:
That’s fabulous. I’m excited. I’m excited to read it, and see it, and finally see it come to life. Before we dive into all of that with the book, Haile, you are the youngest person I’ve interviewed on my podcast.
Haile Thomas:
Oh, wow. I’m honored. Thank you.
Sigrun:
And the reason we connected in the first place, and I need to tell my audience that, is I am planning my first big conference, Selfmade Summit, in Reykjavik, Iceland. And it was supposed to happen this year, as we know. It’s been postponed to next year, and I had a lot of speakers, and most of the speakers I knew, but then I realized with my mission of accelerating gender equality through female entrepreneurship, I wanted to also see someone or have someone speak on the stage that was younger. And I went into a big Facebook group with lots of entrepreneurs, like 30,000 female entrepreneurs, and I asked, “Do you know anyone that is a teenager or someone who is not 20 yet?” And I got some suggestions. Some people suggested their own daughters, and I thought well, that’s not exactly what I meant. And your name came up, and I checked out your website and I thought oh, you are amazing. And I reached out and we’re going to make it happen.
Haile Thomas:
Yes, it’s actually so interesting because before you had reached out, I had done this thing where I was setting up my new website and I had to test out the email functionality and I’ve always wanted to visit Iceland and speak there, do something there. And so in the tester email, I just said, “Speaking requests for a keynote in Iceland.” And then your email came through, an actual request came through, and I was so blown away. So I’m really happy that the connection happened. I’m so excited for next year, for sure, but I thought that was so amazing how that happened.
Sigrun:
Well, it just shows you that if you know what you want, you’re more likely to get it.
Haile Thomas:
Yeah, for sure. It’ll find you.
Sigrun:
Yeah. So my audience probably doesn’t know you, even though this person recommended you and I found you. That’s why we need to dive into your story and learn a little bit more about you, and make people excited about actually seeing you on stage next year in Iceland. So tell us a bit about how come you have achieved so much in so little time. Who is Haile?
Haile Thomas:
I think there’s definitely a lot to me, as there is a lot to everyone, but I think really what has allowed me to fully step into who I want to be and how I want to contribute to the world is really rooted in how I’ve grown up, but also the freedom that I’ve had within that experience. So my parents have always really instilled in me the power and value of my voice. So ever since I was super little, my parents would have deep conversations with their friends and everything, and I wasn’t told to go and play somewhere, I was welcomed into that conversation if I wanted to listen or if I had anything to say. And so just being in that environment from a really young age and seeing adults value my opinion and voice really made me feel very secure in that from an early age. And then to have also my parents be really supportive of me exploring anything that I wanted to and encouraging that was really great. They never really forced any blueprint on me or any box onto me.
They never said, “You have to do this in order for me to be proud of you,” or, “This is the only way we’ll support you.” It was more so, “See where your creativity and your heart goes, and we’ll support you that way.” And so those things have really been the foundation of my life and have shaped my mindset in the ways that I approach myself as well. And so having that has been such a blessing, and to be able to just continue to grow myself off of that foundation has been definitely a really interesting journey because, of course, we’re not only influenced by our little bubble at home, but also the world. And so it’s been sometimes a battle of balancing all the external expectations, and perceptions, and stereotypes, and then this internal nurturing that was happening within my own family. So I think really from there is what’s shaped me. And then in terms of getting into my advocacy, we can definitely talk about that more and what really sparked that.
Sigrun:
Yeah, I also feel that I got instilled this belief from my parents I could do anything, but then I also tell the story that I was nine years old when there was a female president being elected Iceland. So were are there any outside forces, let’s say, or role models that also you feel have shaped you?
Haile Thomas:
Absolutely. I’ve always been around really incredible women in my immediate life. I’ve been able to have role models that I can really relate to and see myself within, so instead of it being celebrities or “public figures”, I’ve really had tangible examples of people who are making a difference in their communities and also want to bring me under their wing to learn from them. So I’ve been really appreciative of that. And that has definitely just continuously inspired me and motivated me because I look to this person in my community, I see the change that they’re making, I see the ways that they’re creating their own business or their own movements, and that, to me, is just really powerful. So I’ve definitely been super grateful to just have awesome women of all kinds of backgrounds and ages to really guide me and teach me so much, whether that’s through one conversation or through years of getting to know each other. So yeah, that’s been awesome.
Sigrun:
Is there any specific moment that changed you in a way that now you look at yourself as a, you said, advocate, even an activist?
Haile Thomas:
Yeah, I think that when I really got started, my dad, he was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, and I was around eight or nine years old. And when he was diagnosed, our family started to look for alternatives to the medication because what he was prescribed had unbelievable side effects that only sounded like it was going to cause more chronic illnesses and just complications. So we looked into food and healing through that route. And as a family, we started watching food, documentaries and reading together, and cooking together, and all of that. I was so involved in this process of healing my dad, and it was so deeply rooted in love, and learning together, and vulnerability in many ways. And through that, I learned the power of food, but also the power of community and coming together through this one unified intention.
And through that entire process, which was about a year, we were able to completely reverse my dad’s condition without the use of medication. And so I was very inspired and empowered by all that I had learned, and I realized how much we could become leaders in our own lives through what we put into our bodies. And I felt it was ridiculous that kids weren’t learning about this. My friends had no idea about it. And in our physical education class at school, all we learned was how to run laps, but nothing else connected to health and wellbeing. So I just noticed this gap in the world. And again, based on how I was raised, I was like okay, so what do I do about it then? And that’s really what sparked everything, and eventually getting to share my story, and just how important it is for young people to be involved in their health and wellness, and health and wellbeing of their families and their community.
And over time, it just built and expanded as I started to expand, and learn, and grow as an individual. So now my focus is so much more holistic than it was before. Primarily I was focusing on food as a little kid, and then eventually, as I’m realizing there are so many different elements to our wellbeing, our mindset, our emotions, the ways that we speak to ourselves and others, all of those things, how we tap into creativity, and how we’re fulfilled, that is all a part of our wellbeing. So getting to experience many different things that have shown me that those things also require prioritization and nurturing was a big, big shift in just my messaging, and really enriched my intention behind everything that I do. So it’s definitely been a very organic journey, which I’ve really appreciated. It’s all unfolded in a way that’s felt really like me, it’s felt really authentic, and I’m super grateful for that.
Sigrun:
So what happened that caught attention of national media. You’re here at home with your family and your father, and you are eight, nine years old. At what age did other people notice, outside your immediate community, what you were doing?
Haile Thomas:
Yeah. So when I was around 10 years old, after my dad’s condition was reversed, I spent a year just trying to figure out how I could do something. And my mom and I would do a lot of research on different advisory boards maybe that I could join, or organizations I could help out with. And so I joined the Youth Advisory Board for the Alliance for a Healthier Generation, which is a nonprofit here in the US that, at the time, had a board of kids from all over the country who wanted to talk about health and wellness in their communities. So joining that board really was the first domino to drop in terms of creating everything that’s happened now. And so through that, I got training on what was happening in the world, how I could best show up for my community, and then just as that organization got to know me, they thought they saw some type of potential in me to be a speaker, or to just present on my experiences. And that’s when I got my first speaking engagement, and that was at this pretty big health conference in Washington, DC.
And I spoke there, and that truly was the launch pad for everything, because there were lots of corporate leaders there, there were lots of people in the health and wellness space there. That’s when I first met first lady Michelle Obama, former first lady Michelle Obama, and a bunch of incredible chefs that I had always grown up watching on Food Network and everything. And so being exposed to that world very quickly, with my first speaking engagement, really opened a lot of doors. And just through each event I was able to get my message out to more people, and that awareness of me and what I was doing just grew from there.
Sigrun:
How old were you with your first speaking engagement?
Haile Thomas:
Yeah, I was 10.
Sigrun:
10? That’s amazing.
Haile Thomas:
Yeah. But in terms of speaking, I never thought of myself as being able to do a speech. It was just never really in my sphere. I don’t think any little kid is thinking I’m going to be a public speaker. Maybe now, because that’s a thing that you really see as a career path, but when I was super little, my parents actually would bring me with them to poetry clubs, and I remember, I guess I was just sitting and watching people perform, and eventually I wanted to perform Itsy Bitsy Spider, and they let me do it. I was three, and they let me do it. And so I think in many ways I’ve seen in my life how this makes sense now that this is what I do. I used to love acting when I was little, and getting to do school plays and everything, but to do something so purposeful in which I’m sharing my voice through such a personal and intentional way is really, really special. And it was so cool to be trusted to do that at a young age.
Sigrun:
So at age of 10, you’re doing your first speaking engagement, you’re meeting the former first lady. What happened as a result immediately after that? And what led you to actually doing education and nutrition?
Haile Thomas:
So after that first event, I actually met some people from Hyatt Hotels. They were listening to my speech and everything I was saying about kids being involved in their wellbeing. And they wanted to basically partner with me to completely renovate their kids’ menus that were served in hotels all across the country and in the Caribbean. And so after that I did other speaking engagements, but that was really the major partnership that also put me in the media and everything, because we worked together for two or three years building this kids’ menu that was for kids by kids. It was interactive, a lot of healthier options, more sophisticated options. And through doing that, I got so much experience with just what that partnership thing was like. And also getting to speak on national TV. It was the first time I went on the Today Show, and all sorts of different podcasts interviews and local news stations. And through that experience, I was having so much fun, and really the first few years of my journey was a lot of very big events, actually, lots of high profile people.
And getting to just be in these spaces that were super cool, but I started to realize that in a way I was losing the ability to really make an impact in the ways that I had originally intended to. It was great to an audience to speak to, but I didn’t know how tangible my impact was at the time. Beyond me speaking, how are people making changes based on what I had exposed them to. So that’s when my mom and I really started brainstorming about my nonprofit, HAPPY, which stands for Healthy, Active, Positive, Purposeful Youth. And so we just started talking about ways we could really get into the community, talk to kids. That’s what I wanted to do from the beginning was to educate my peers in a way that was really fun and engaging. And so really having so much of an experience within that external world really compelled me to look into how I could be more community centered as well. And so that’s really where that element came in.
Sigrun:
And then at some point you decided you’re going to really learn this, instead of do testing and figuring things out, that you became one of the youngest nutrition coaches in, I guess, at least the United States, but possibly the world. So what made you think you needed an education when you were so well self-taught already?
Haile Thomas:
Oh yeah. I mean I definitely learned a lot from documentaries, and researching, and books, and everything, but I did get a lot of comments from adults who call themselves experts in the health space, and people who just thought that obviously a little kid can’t teach me anything, or there’s no way you know what you’re talking about type of thing. And so originally I felt like I needed to get some type of certification in order to validate myself externally, have that external validation of what I was offering, but then I started to realize that it was important for me just to have this background and to really have this perspective that is holistic. And that’s really what I started to learn about through the Institute for Integrative Nutrition, which is where I got my certification. Their entire curriculum was based on expanding the definition of wellness and helping their students understand all the interconnected pieces of it.
So I’m so grateful that I did it, and that they let me into the school and allowed me to do it based on everything I was working on. And just having that experience really opened up the work that we do today. So, at first, the intention behind it was really just to make people stop criticizing so much. And people were saying things that were really unkind at one point, but eventually I realized this was something that I absolutely needed to do for myself, and was really helping me enrich the ways that I spread this information, and also just my inner knowledge as well.
Sigrun:
And you were 16 when you graduated from IIN. What has then changed for you after that? Now you are more confident, I assume, with your education and your ability to speak. You had lots of experience, already six years of speaking experience. What happened as a result of that?
Haile Thomas:
As a result of going through IIN, I feel like I was able to, in terms of the nonprofit, really be able to just infuse this whole other element of expertise into our programming, and it helped us really streamline everything that we were spreading … everything we were sharing with the kids, and having them learn about. And to this day, it’s still helping us expand on our messaging. For instance, in the past two years I’ve really been working on talking about self care and mental health as a part of our work, because for so long it’s been very much focused on just nutrition, education, and cooking. So we actually, just a few weeks ago, held some virtual summer camps on self care. So it was super cool to apply all those things that I had learned, and from IIN, and also just through my own experiences into a curriculum for 8 to 12-year-olds to learn about this. So it was super fun. We did all sorts of awesome activities. We had the kids make affirmation jars, and make their own emotion potions, which is an emotional toolkit to lift their spirits and mood.
So the whole point of the camp was really to have them feel empowered, and have this set of tools that they can refer to if they’re feeling anxious or upset about everything that’s happening in the world, and so that they can understand that those things that they’re feeling are normal, and that they also have the power to control so much of how they react to these situations as well. So it was really that balance of yes, everything going on is very real, but also there’s a lot of power within you to shape how you perceive that experience and how you handle any challenges. So that was super fun to get to do that, and we’re very excited about just building on it, but it’s definitely just shaped my personal perspective, and the ways that we do our work, and how we really try to make it inclusive of all the things that really impact us as human beings. So I’m just so grateful for that education and the way that it opened my eyes, and it’s a huge influence on my book, Living Lively, as well. So yeah, it’s definitely changed my life, for sure.
Sigrun:
Yeah. We’re going to shortly come into the book and what else we can learn from you, but you worked also with Michelle Obama. How did that come about?
Haile Thomas:
So getting to interact with her and introduce her at the Kids’ “State Dinner” in, think this was 2014, all those things, again, they just connect with each other. Like the first time I met her, that was one touch point, and I got to briefly just share about everything I was working on and wanted to do. And again, that was when I first started. And then through that, I was invited to walk her down her plane steps when she came to visit my hometown, which at the time Tucson, Arizona. And that was unbelievable. And then just different experiences here and there, getting invited to like at her box at the State of the Union, and all the interactions we’ve had have been short, a couple of minutes, but each time I felt just very much supported, and uplifted, and encouraged, and that’s been a really, really awesome thing. So yeah, it was definitely very surreal each and every time.
Sigrun:
I bet. And also her mission was to get kids to eat healthier, so I guess you had an alignment in both your missions together.
Haile Thomas:
Yeah, very much aligned, and a big piece of her movement was also just to have kids be advocates for that. And so it was really cool to have so many young voices on the front lines pushing her Let’s Move initiative and the messaging behind that.
Sigrun:
So coming to your book, you have been sharing a lot online, and speaking obviously now for several years. Did you feel you had to write a book, or did someone ask you to write a book?
Haile Thomas:
No, I’ve always wanted to write a book. When I was really, really little, I would always write these novels. They were not at all related to anything real. They were all very much fantasy, and sci-fi, and everything, but I’ve just always loved that creative outlet and getting to express myself in that way. So I knew that I wanted to have a book one day, but I didn’t know how it would manifest. And for the book that I have now, I think towards end of 2017, I was really starting to realize that I had something to say and I wanted to package it into a book. It just hit me as the right time, I guess. I just started thinking about it a lot. And I had some drafts of things that I’d worked on for a few years, just ideas that I would pull here and there.
And at first I wasn’t sure if I wanted it to be a cookbook entirely because I feel like my work has definitely gone beyond just the food space at this point, but I thought it was really important to bridge the gap between traditional self-growth and traditional wellness, in terms of food, and movement, and all of that, and just really bring it together and create something that feels, in a way, like a Human 101 guide from the perspective of a young person. So that’s exactly what Living Lively is, and for the past two years it’s been in development. 2018 was spending eight months writing a proposal, and then pitching it, and having it go for auction, and all of these things. It was such an exciting and new experience. And then last year was just writing, and taking photos, and planning travel, and interviews, and all sorts of just craziness. It was such a busy year, last year, doing that and juggling speaking, and traveling, and HAPPY programs, and everything.
And I think it’s really interesting actually how I feel like when you’re writing something like this, it seems like life almost presents you with the opportunities to get to know the subject even deeper and even better. And that’s what I definitely noticed, especially in regards to the messaging around self care, and your thoughts, and your mindset, I was struggling with that so much during 2019, and really finding a balance and feeling healthy in those ways, and through me going through those challenges of juggling everything, and just not necessarily feeling 100% there, I was able to find tools that I could incorporate into Living Lively that were really helpful for me during those times. So it was super cool to just … I mean, in hindsight, it’s super cool to have had that experience. It was definitely very frustrating at the time to be writing the super positive book, but also having some internal challenges, and trying to make everything move and work according to deadlines, and all things that have been planned and scheduled for so long.
So it was a challenge, but something I’m just so grateful for, and to have Living Lively really focus on our internal health, our spiritual, mental, emotional health, and the ways that we feel joyful through what we’re eating, whether that’s emotionally or physically, it’s just super cool. And I also feature five amazing young women who are also doing incredible things in the world, and are activating their power through different areas, and that’s just another really great thing. I just wanted the book to feel really relatable, and for everyone’s stories, including my own, to speak to someone, and I think that we were able to achieve that. So I’m just very anxious, but in a great way, to see how everyone reacts to it, and what the impact is.
Sigrun:
I’m excited. I’m excited for you. And I can see that you are excited, little bit nervous, it’s a brand new thing, and I think everyone will feel the same, whatever age they are, when their first books comes out. But if someone is listening, they are a young entrepreneur and they’re thinking okay, she’s doing all this activism, she’s bringing out a book. How does she make money? How do you actually … Is this a business or is this a nonprofit? And how does that actually work?
Haile Thomas:
So when I started out, I definitely did not think that money could ever be a part of any of this. I did not think of it as a career path at all, but as I started to just get better at what I do and really feel comfortable within it, opportunities started opening up. So for the nonprofit, it is a 501(c)(3) and we get our funding through corporate partnerships and donations from people in the community or other groups, whatever it may be. And so that’s really how we stay afloat and how all of our programs run. And then for me personally, the ways that I make my money are through brand partnerships, through speaking. This book, obviously, is a form of income. So they’ve really been the main ways that my career has been able to bring some abundance into my life.
And I’ve been really, really grateful for that, because again, it was very much unexpected. I did not think that any of this could do that, especially because that’s just not the mindset that I went into it with at all. Like how can I profit off of this? It would just float in organically. So I think that’s one thing that it’s been really cool to see just how, when you follow that intention and that purpose behind what you’re doing and you really focus on that, all else that you need just follows suit. So it’s been really, really awesome to experience that.
Sigrun:
Yeah. So basically the end consumer, let’s say, the children in this case, they don’t pay anything.
Haile Thomas:
No.
Sigrun:
It is someone else funding it.
Haile Thomas:
Yeah.
Sigrun:
It is a nonprofit, but still you make enough money that there is an abundance in your life, and that’s important too. We all need something to live from. So what do you see happening next? The world has changed a lot this year. I guess you have not been traveling a lot for speaking engagements. Things have been postponed, like the conference, Selfmade Summit, and probably all your other speaking arrangements. And then we’ve had Corona, we are heading, or we are in a recession, and it’s probably going to get worse before it gets better. And then we had the whole Black Lives Matter. What has this year changed for you? And how do you see this change what you do in the future?
Haile Thomas:
I think this year, it’s definitely taken us through so much. And I feel like I’ve gone through so many different … It feels like there have been many years in this one year in a lot of ways. I feel like I’ve been just going through so many different emotions and perceptions on everything that’s happening, but I’ve kind of come to this place of really being grateful for how I’ve been able to learn more about acceptance and also just detachment from the outcome or worrying so much about the future, the far future. So much has just been shaken up, and there’s incredible uncertainty with not only this year, but many years to come. And we’ve never really faced this feeling even though in a lot of ways our lives have always been like this. We don’t truly have that much control on what happens on a mass scale, and even individually, what happens around us.
And it’s really just forced me to tune into how I can tap into my own power just through how I react and respond, and what I put out into the world, or how I choose to prioritize time to myself and observing everything rather than feeling like I always have to react to what’s happening as well. So it’s just really taught me patience and not being so anxious, surprisingly, about the future. I’m just letting it unfold and I’ll see what I do with it when it arrives. And that has been really freeing actually, because I definitely, in the past, would always be anticipating so many different things, and focused on the future a lot more. And so now I’ve been able to be so much more present, which has really been a great thing.
And I think it’s so strange to feel like you’re growing and changing in a time that is just so devastating for so many of us. And I think for those of us who have the privilege of being safe and having food, and shelter, and all of that, doing inner work and really figuring out how we can be better humans too, and support our collective is so important because we have that time and that space to do so. So I’ve really been diving into that and just figuring out how I can really show up as my fullest self and provide things that can help others really do the same.
Sigrun:
Yeah. Very wise words from a very young person. Thank you, Haile. Who is the book for? What age group or who is really the ideal client for the book?
Haile Thomas:
Well, the book is written, of course, through a youth perspective. So I definitely have a voice of my peers and want to connect with them, but I’ve also really settled on this feeling of the book will reach whoever it may need to reach, and that it will impact anyone who needs to hear those messages. So I think that it’s really something that, again, everyone can relate to because in the book we’re talking about so many just generically human challenges or elements. And through that I want to be able to hopefully just reach who I need to reach and that’s definitely the intention behind it. So of course, young people, because I really want this information to be out there to, again, give us this sense of empowerment. And we have a toolkit or a hand to hold on this journey of growing up. And I know that through us having more information on health and wellbeing through this holistic perspective will definitely shape our future in a really positive way.
And not only through what I’m putting out, but also the work of so many other people, just being able to grow up with this awareness is going to have us enter the world when we’re really, really in control of what’s going on with just a more compassionate perspective. And I’m so excited about that and about being able to contribute in that way. But this book is for any and everyone who resonates with it, and I definitely am just super excited to see who does, and the diversity of those who read and enjoy it, because I feel like my community, whether that’s online or offline, has always been very multigenerational. And it’s been super cool to just see people of all ages and backgrounds connecting on these topics and these life experiences that I have and that we all share. So I think that’s definitely what’s going to be the outcome of the book is just having a community very much like what I have in my own life.
Sigrun:
Yeah. Haile, it’s been wonderful to hear from you, your story, and how it’s all come together organically for you. What is the best way for people to follow you online and get the book?
Haile Thomas:
So you can follow me in my work by visiting my website, hailevthomas.com. And there I have information on how to purchase my book, Living Lively, but also ways to learn more about my nonprofit, HAPPY. And you can either follow links on my website there, or visit our website thehappyorg.org, and on social media I’m @hailethomas, and @thehappyorg for the nonprofit.
Sigrun:
Wonderful. We’ll put that all in the show notes so people can find the links there. Thank you so much for joining the show, Haile. It’s been a pleasure.
Haile Thomas:
Yes. Likewise. Thank you so much for having me.
Sigrun:
And I cannot wait to see you on stage giving keynotes at the Selfmade Summit, Reykjavik, Iceland, June 2021.
Haile Thomas:
Yes, me too. It’s going to be amazing.
Sigrun:
Go to the show notes sigrun.com/391, where you can find out how to sign up for the upcoming workshop, How to Launch in the Next Normal, plus all the links to Haile Thomas and her newly released book, Living Lively. In the show notes you’ll also find a link to the Selfmade Summit, so you can grab your ticket to see Haile Thomas live in Iceland next year. Thank you for listening to the Sigrun Show. Did you enjoy this episode? Let me know that you listened by tagging me in your Instastory or Instagram posts using my handle, sigruncom and the hashtag SigrunShow. See you in the next episode.